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GN[North American Ing Masters - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 3 Board 1 - Juyong Koh 7d vs Mingjiu Jiang 7p]PW[Juyong Koh]PB[Mingjiu Jiang]WR[7d]BR[7p]DT[2010-08-04]EV[North American Ing  Masters]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Chris Burg]C[FangFa [2d\]: hi
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the North American Ing Masters Tournament in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world. 
USGO1 [-\]: This is round 3, board 1.  I'm Chris Burg, your game recorder this evening.
FangFa [2d\]: Nice to meet you Chris 
USGO1 [-\]: Nice to meet you too, FangFa.
buzzsaw [7k?\]: hello Chris
edlee [1k\]: hi Chris
edlee [1k\]: USGO1, Chris -- private message with me, please.
fly [1d\]: I anyone giving odds on this game?
Ailura [8k\]: who are the players?
fly [1d\]: MingJiu and Curtis Tang
evanj [2d\]: that's an easy one
TheBOrg [7k?\]: nice names, black vs white
TheBOrg [7k?\]: oh
Remember [1d\]: mingjiu is gonna destroy
TheBOrg [7k?\]: so is Mingjiu going to win by points or by  resign?
evanj [2d\]: that's not curtis tang
appleseeds [4k\]: no chance for Curtis? I think it will be a good game
TheBOrg [7k?\]: Mingjiu is on a winning streak
evanj [2d\]: no chance for curtis since he's not at this board
Maki1 [6k?\]: lol
appleseeds [4k\]: oh, the aga crosstab listed curtis vs mingjiu
appleseeds [4k\]: but it's changed now
dageas: wow
USGO1 [-\]: Yes, we've had a repairing.
jimmypap [6k?\]: Hi, I don't suppose there is a video stream?
sevrusblck [-\]: could a high dan comment on this game?
USGO1 [-\]: No video stream available this time, sorry.
appleseeds [4k\]: why did the pairing change?
evanj [2d\]: sure, sevrusbick, i'll be happy to
USGO1 [-\]: They didn't say.
sevrusblck [-\]: thank you!
evanj [2d\]: the board is currently empty.
appleseeds [4k\]: ok, thx
xelastone [12k\]: :)
sevrusblck [-\]: u seriously gonna comment?
Ripples [2k\]: W+12.5
evanj [2d\]: the players will take turns placing round stones on the intersections.
Ripples [2k\]: based on this board
djCoolDown [7k\]: when is the "official" start time for this game?
piracy [2k\]: oh evanj, you and your shenanigans
sevrusblck [-\]: or just messin?
USGO1 [-\]: Players have been given the go-ahead to begin
evanj [2d\]: no, sev, i'm neither strong enough nor am i going to be here the whole time
sevrusblck [-\]: :(
evanj [2d\]: sorry
sevrusblck [-\]: could a high dan comment on this game?
evanj [2d\]: although i'm flattered that you consider me a high dan :D
djCoolDown [7k\]: flyingfox?
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong starts the clock.
sevrusblck [-\]: well
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]C[sevrusblck [-\]: i dont, but still strong
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;W[dd]C[evanj [2d\]: :(
Maki1 [6k?\]: this game is beyond the knowledge of even the hi dans
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;B[qp]C[evanj [2d\]: not so far it isn't
evanj [2d\]: even i understand it so far
shindon [-\]: well a dan can allways tell what another dan could be thinking
Maki1 [6k?\]: lol
sevrusblck [-\]: still, they could help me understand some parts
xelastone [12k\]: why doesn't the clock start?
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;W[dp]C[sevrusblck [-\]: cuz
shindon [-\]: it does not show on here
Maki1 [6k?\]: f3
sevrusblck [-\]: its just recorded
sevrusblck [-\]: and displayed here
Naso [1d\]: White: "KILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILL" Black:"OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG"
edlee [1k\]: Because this is relayed by hand, xelastone.
xelastone [12k\]: ahh, thx
evanj [2d\]: i assume f3 is coming
evanj [2d\]: or p3
djCoolDown [7k\]: b-m3?
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;B[oq]C[Maki1 [6k?\]: gah...
djCoolDown [7k\]: :(
Maki1 [6k?\]: R10
USGO1 [-\]: Both players view the board from behind crossed arms.
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;W[qf]C[sevrusblck [-\]: ah yes, thank you us, at least someone tries
madkyu [5k\]: in europe we have live streams..
evanj [2d\]: supercommon opening these days
evanj [2d\]: yeah, madkyu, they're probably government funded too
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;B[qi]C[Maki1 [6k?\]: in Europe you have greeks...
madkyu [5k\]: greeks funded the webcams
djCoolDown [7k\]: in he US we have geeks
flowSthead [9k\]: in russia go streams you
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong flexes his jaw while he thinks, a common mannerism of his.
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;W[nc]C[Dar00 [5k\]: how it comes there r so many pro players in us ? >>
Maki1 [6k?\]: nice commenting, thanks USGO
madkyu [5k\]: thanks USGO1, your comments are really appraciated
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;B[pf]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qd]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: because the us is the biggest economy o this planet?
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;B[qe]C[somosdios [3k\]: well, the US is the birthplace of go you know
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;W[re]
;B[pe]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: hah
flowSthead [9k\]: lol
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;W[rg]C[shindon [-\]: bull snick
Remember [1d\]: and hotdogs
somosdios [3k\]: yeah, all these chinese tried to usurp the honor, but we know the truth
USGO1 [-\]: Twice during the exchange Mingjiu doesn't hit his clock and Juyong reminds him.
Remember [1d\]: and fat people
madkyu [5k\]: hehe
shindon [-\]: lol
madkyu [5k\]: is that cheating?
shindon [-\]: wow nice
TheBOrg [7k?\]: when Rome dominated all go players were at the coliseum
shindon [-\]: no i think he actually forgot
Naso [1d\]: a sign that mingju is very concentrated?
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;B[qg]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: mingjiu just loses more time
Remember [1d\]: its not cheating, it means his time is still going while the other player is thinking
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;W[rf]C[Dar00 [5k\]: hum  it actually comes from chinatown in us 
Remember [1d\]: he's just not used to it most likely
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;B[pb]C[stoneman [4d\]: how old is Juyong Koh?
madkyu [5k\]: oh
Jonsuji [5k?\]: he doesn't need it anyhow
Maki1 [6k?\]: this looks like a fail for b
sdfghj: 31
USGO1 [-\]: Both players place their moves methodically and quietly
sdfghj: or 30
somosdios [3k\]: seems pretty good for b, I would think
Maki1 [6k?\]: I mean fail for w
Jonsuji [5k?\]: what are you talking about maki
Jonsuji [5k?\]: yeah
Maki1 [6k?\]: w gets sealed in
Jonsuji [5k?\]: b is in firm control
Naso [1d\]: o17 stone looks lonely
Maki1 [6k?\]: r12
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu reaches into his bag and retrieves a bottle of water, placing it on the table.
Tehanu [1k\]: XD  usgo comentary reads like a golf tv announcer XD
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;W[qb]C[djCoolDown [7k\]: w - upper side
Jonsuji [5k?\]: so true
TheBOrg [7k?\]: oh the Tesuji bottle
Remember [1d\]: USGO, announce like a spanish football announcer now
Remember [1d\]: TENUUUUUKIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!
djCoolDown [7k\]: b- upper side
sevrusblck [-\]: GOAL GOAL GOAL
sevrusblck [-\]: erm...  GO GO GO
Vinata [5d\]: w is not pushover
shindon [-\]: lol
Remember [1d\]: ha
Remember [1d\]: j17
Maki1 [6k?\]: r12
Remember [1d\]: o, b's turn
Naso [1d\]: k16?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: c10
fowat [5k\]: the differerence bewteen a dan and a pro is a dan is an amatueur and a pro is a pro right??? xD sorry stupid quesitons but i just wanna know lol
Naso [1d\]: or j16?
djCoolDown [7k\]: b - upper side now
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;B[kd]C[pierre38 [15k\]: A1
sevrusblck [-\]: yes fowat
Naso [1d\]: oh looks little bit passive, doesnt it?
fowat [5k\]: oh ok ok thx
sevrusblck [-\]: dans haven't passed the exam
Maki1 [6k?\]: looks like w already lost
Remember [1d\]: l16 is testing white
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;W[ic]C[Remember [1d\]: testing his strength, letting white approac
fowat [5k\]: OH ok that makes sense...so a dan could still play at a pro's level but has not been recognised as a pro right?
Remember [1d\]: and he does here
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;B[je]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: so far kibitzers lost
Remember [1d\]: j15
Kaveth [13k\]: Yeah this isnt a teaching game..
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong takes up a meditative posture, hands on thighs.
djCoolDown [7k\]: right fowat
edlee [1k\]: fowat, pros also have pro dan ranks, so you need to be more specific :)
Vinata [5d\]: k4
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu tugs on his lower lip.
evanj [2d\]: hm, k15 is a nice shape
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: is there a video?
Tehanu [1k\]: generally dan can play a pro level  time to times if the hay a good day .. pro wil always play like pro XD
evanj [2d\]: usgo: be sure to tell us when mingjiu tugs on juyong's lower lip
YellowInk [6k\]: Nice color commentary (:
xelastone [12k\]: go go gadget lip
fowat [5k\]: alright...but would be safe and correct if i said that dans could play just equally as well as pros?
Remember [1d\]: no
Maki1 [6k?\]: no
evanj [2d\]: no
TheBOrg [7k?\]: evanj :-)
Remember [1d\]: they almost always play worse
Maki1 [6k?\]: lol
fowat [5k\]: ok nox3
sevrusblck [-\]: hey, here
evanj [2d\]: k15 is beautiful
sevrusblck [-\]: locally
Naso [1d\]: Hmmm I'd play f17 but maybe blacks arising moyo is to big after this?
Remember [1d\]: pros have a certain consistency and understanding through years of intense study that amateurs simply can't have in the same way
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;W[he]C[sevrusblck [-\]: h16 or g16 ?
djCoolDown [7k\]: in japan there is an association that recognizes a pro. it's like of like a CPA title in accounting. it's all about money -- most money comes from students
fowat [5k\]: alright to avoid having 3 nos after another ill be quiet and wikipedia stuff
sevrusblck [-\]: guess neither...  :(
YellowInk [6k\]: 1p is often a full stone stronger than 7d from what I have seen
edlee [1k\]: fowat, good idea :)
TheBOrg [7k?\]: please, lets focus on the game, go search senseis library for go terms and pros history
Vinata [5d\]: k's are not allowed to comment     too much flood
Remember [1d\]: i'm glad to see such a moyo-ish high dan game
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu adjusts his posture and accidentally bumps the table slightly.
kpasko [18k?\]: impolite, but accurate. self-evidenced.
evanj [2d\]: more lip-tugging please
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;B[cc]C[evanj [2d\]: !!!
Remember [1d\]: holy fish
YellowInk [6k\]: c16 still leaves white with some overconcentration
Remember [1d\]: overconcentration is a bad thing
YellowInk [6k\]: yes
sevrusblck [-\]: lol
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: what is holy fish?
Remember [1d\]: you said "still", it made it sound like it was a drawback of c16
YellowInk [6k\]: It is a drawback of c16
evanj [2d\]: it's how you express intense surprise without getting booted off the server
Remember [1d\]: yes so "still" isn't the right word to use there
GorillaLil [3k?\]: old Chinese proverb, "don't make territory shapes too soon or he will see what is happening."
Maki1 [6k?\]: dont forget it
Remember [1d\]: wait i mean
sevrusblck [-\]: i think he meant as opposed to d17?
Remember [1d\]: it's not a drawback of  c16 for b
Remember [1d\]: it's a good drawback
Remember [1d\]: i'm all twisted around now, never mind
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;W[dc]
;B[cd]C[Baytovn [7k\]: twist and shout
sevrusblck [-\]: he he
shindon [-\]: b i think wants to over crowed w 
USGO1 [-\]: Observers can view Juyong's AGA player card at http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=16226
sevrusblck [-\]: white makin terr like black
evanj [2d\]: hm.  i didn't think d17 was playable
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu's AGA player card is located at http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=10298
Remember [1d\]: white thinking about double hane
sevrusblck [-\]: y not evanj?
Hagios [1d\]: d17 looks like better shape than c16 to me...
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;W[ce]C[MXHero [3d\]: maybe c14 to tak sente?
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;B[be]C[evanj [2d\]: because it creates a wall that is too close to j17 and h15
Remember [1d\]: because white's overconcentrated
evanj [2d\]: inefficient
Hagios [1d\]: MX, that was my thought
Remember [1d\]: yes
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;W[cb]C[Maki1 [6k?\]: lol
evanj [2d\]: neither is very good - which is I guess why c17 is a good move
evanj [2d\]: that never in a million years would have occurred to me
Remember [1d\]: lol
Remember [1d\]: well, learn
TheBOrg [7k?\]: so Mingjiu is like above 9dan
Remember [1d\]: maybe you play it now
Dagobert [4d\]: this game is aperfect example why you don´t need to study joseki
Maki1 [6k?\]: Ming is like 10d
evanj [2d\]: should this precise situation occur in a game of mine, perhaps i will
Remember [1d\]: lol
golpoong [4k\]: yes 10d
evanj [2d\]: k15 for me is the shape worth remembering
golpoong [4k\]: over
golpoong [4k\]: ?
dedroid [1k\]: mingjiu is like 7p
Hagios [1d\]: Far from over.
Remember [1d\]: k15 is pretty common shape against j17. nicknamed "the mouse" see it?
USGO1 [-\]: The last tournament game Juyong played against Mingjiu was at last year's North American Ing Masters.  Mingjiu won that game, taking black.
Hagios [1d\]: Thanks for the history, USGO!
kpasko [18k?\]: is this game scored Ing as well?
evanj [2d\]: yes
evanj [2d\]: hence "Ing Masters"
stoner [2d\]: what is ing scoring again?
stoner [2d\]: Chinese?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu studies the board, one finger on the tip of his nose.
evanj [2d\]: area scoring, 8 komi
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: USGO, why you don't have vodeo?
Dagobert [4d\]: chris, i like you! did you ever think of a career as a professional go game broadcaster?
sevrusblck [-\]: c14 here?
evanj [2d\]: c14 is one possibility
stoner [2d\]: komi is 8? wow
evanj [2d\]: i know, right
Hagios [1d\]: stoner, 8 but B wins ties
TheBOrg [7k?\]: Dagobert, if you pay, I can comment too
Hagios [1d\]: So, basically 7.5
sevrusblck [-\]: seeme like the only one
evanj [2d\]: i was playing in tournaments when they started using it, people were clamoring to play w
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;B[bb]C[stoner [2d\]: i see
evanj [2d\]: true, hagios
Maki1 [6k?\]: more like 6.5 because just by putting the first stone down b gets 1 point
evanj [2d\]: well
Hagios [1d\]: But with that number, it might have a psychological edge :)
evanj [2d\]: not really
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;W[bd]
;B[bc]C[Remember [1d\]: maki, that's genius
]
;W[bf]C[sevrusblck [-\]: more like 7
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;B[de]C[sevrusblck [-\]: avg of 7.5 and 6.5
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;W[cf]
;B[db]
;W[eb]
;B[ca]
;W[fc]C[golpoong [4k\]: weiqi ghost 
MXHero [3d\]: i love how they were clamoring to take w but probably weren't clamoring to play 1 point better at go :)
Hagios [1d\]: Nice way to handle the corner!
stoner [2d\]: b got sente
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: I just saw such joseki played by ManyFqcesOfGO ))
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
PartyCrshr [4d\]: b gets sente this way
stoner [2d\]: f3 seems normal here
Hagios [1d\]: I guess we can say c18 isn't the best way
Dagobert [4d\]: b always gets sente ..
USGO1 [-\]: During the rapid exchange, Mingjiu again forgot to hit his clock once, and Juyong motioned to it.
sevrusblck [-\]: this looks good for w
]
;B[ee]C[Dagobert [4d\]: but w closed both sides
evanj [2d\]: hm, a cheater
evanj [2d\]: i don't know, w is pretty tight there
USGO2 [-\]: Juyong is a nice guy.
sevrusblck [-\]: sti;;
evanj [2d\]: h15 isn't that useful a stone for me
sevrusblck [-\]: *still
sevrusblck [-\]: c14 is nice
USGO1 [-\]: It's no crime to allow your opponent to think on your time.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: he is, i met him last congress
sevrusblck [-\]: good to expand from
Vinata [5d\]: can f14?
stoner [2d\]: i love it when my opponent forgets to punch the clock when i am thinking a long time
Remember [1d\]: if that happened to me
Jonsuji [5k?\]: what are the times on the clock please
stoner [2d\]: Juiyong is a gentleman
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: in chess everybody does it
Remember [1d\]: i would just wait until the clock ran out and win automatically xd
Maki1 [6k?\]: chess....
USGO1 [-\]: Both players have 1 hour and 18 minutes of main time remaining.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: thanks
stoner [2d\]: excuse me, but after that is there byo yomi or is it absolute?
Luminaire [4k\]: 30 sec byo
miao [6d\]: byo of course
miao [6d\]: ....
stoner [2d\]: i see
MXHero [3d\]: f14 seems to not work
USGO2 [-\]: 1min byo
Luminaire [4k\]: excuse me, used to open rules
Naso [1d\]: miao still awake?
GorillaLil [3k?\]: under options the rules say 5 x 1 minute byo-yomi
stoner [2d\]: ty
USGO2 [-\]: miao's calling the moves on board 2, it's impressive
Remember [1d\]: USGO2, get out of USGO1's area!
YellowInk [6k\]: e15 looks so small at first glance, but it's really pushy!
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;W[ie]C[stoner [2d\]: f16
evanj [2d\]: transcriber fight
evanj [2d\]: f16 is silly
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans in very close to the board upon the placement of J15
Maki1 [6k?\]: f16 looks like a kyu move
edlee [1k\]: that's because kyus get lucky once in a while
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: k13 kyu move!
evanj [2d\]: (now watch him play f16)
stoner [2d\]: oops
stoner [2d\]: well ididn't really get e15 anyway
stoner [2d\]: don't see the point of messing around where w is strong
TheBOrg [7k?\]: g16 first
TheBOrg [7k?\]: then E12
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
sevrusblck [-\]: tenuki?
evanj [2d\]: possibly
Remember [1d\]: k13
TheBOrg [7k?\]: or D12
sevrusblck [-\]: c6 or f3?
evanj [2d\]: i think k13 is the wrong direction
sevrusblck [-\]: i like f3
TheBOrg [7k?\]: B needs the left side
evanj [2d\]: and yes, i know that i am shooting down everyone else's suggestion without making one of my own
USGO1 [-\]: The clatter of stones fills the room as one game ends with an abrupt resignation.
Maki1 [6k?\]: zomg
GorillaLil [3k?\]: B wants to avoid provoking a high move from HJ15
evanj [2d\]: relaly?! alreeady?
stoner [2d\]: huh?
Vinata [5d\]: which board?
Hagios [1d\]: USGO, any chance of video feed?
Tehanu [1k\]: oohhh eagle at hole 16...
USGO1 [-\]: Board 5 I believe
USGO1 [-\]: No video feed tonight
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;B[di]C[Hagios [1d\]: Also, clatter of stones?  Was it a rude resignation?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: yay, close
evanj [2d\]: no, board 5 is still going on
USGO1 [-\]: A shapr clack issues forth from D11
evanj [2d\]: and not in a resign-worthy position
TheBOrg [7k?\]: i said d12
USGO1 [-\]: Ah they moved the boards it seems
Remember [1d\]: no, the clatter as in they're cleaning up hagios
Hagios [1d\]: Remember, gotcha.  Thanks :)
evanj [2d\]: i'd love to know who was playing in that game :D
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: wow
sevrusblck [-\]: d12 and d11 quite different moves
stoner [2d\]: don't like this at all for b, w is fine with e13 and b is not settled after playing c7 or whatever
Maki1 [6k?\]: D11 is a great move
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: I like Mingjiu
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong idly twitches a foot back and forth.
sevrusblck [-\]: i rooting for white
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: and his lectures are great!
TheBOrg [7k?\]: Mingjiu cant lose
Maki1 [6k?\]: w is over concentrated, Look at the whole board. A clump of stones in one place and one stone in the corner
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu turns away from the table to cross a leg.
Tehanu [1k\]: what kind of shoes is he wearing?
evanj [2d\]: air jordans i bet
TheBOrg [7k?\]: sandals
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: this is the sign!
kuabc12 [6k\]: 7p shoes
Baytovn [7k\]: black shoes?
Academic [5k\]: were can i find some of his lectures?
kuabc12 [6k\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: It's always been sandals when i've seen him.
sevrusblck [-\]: ouch
Tehanu [1k\]: XD
sevrusblck [-\]: d11 really hurts
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: remember tha Lasker smoked when playing? what about 7p?
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;W[eg]C[sevrusblck [-\]: yep
evanj [2d\]: lasker?!
sevrusblck [-\]: either e13 or c9
evanj [2d\]: when lasker was playing everyone smoked while playing
Genghis [1k\]: chess
TheBOrg [7k?\]: C6
Maki1 [6k?\]: I think w did exactly what b planned
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong gets up and leavves the room.
sevrusblck [-\]: for a cig
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: )))
kuabc12 [6k\]: get some tips?
stoner [2d\]: w is going along because that is enough for w--b next move is tough 
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu puts his arms on top of his head.
TheBOrg [7k?\]: observing whole board
Totti10 [4k\]: c6
USGO1 [-\]: Then leans back in for a closer look
TheBOrg [7k?\]: i do the same
Tehanu [1k\]: and the caddy offer hem iron3.. but he refuse silently...
TheBOrg [7k?\]: that makes me almost pro?
odbira [3k\]: many thanks for the color comment!!!
Academic [5k\]: close
Remember [1d\]: you're lucky, i don't do that
evanj [2d\]: don't do what
Maki1 [6k?\]: C7
Remember [1d\]: look at the whole board
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: give us video please
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu silently tumbles two stones over each other in one hand.
evanj [2d\]: seems like d15/e15 stones have already served a major purpose by forcing w to respond to d11 with e13
alexanderp [?\]: small, very small. e13 defends a closed territory at the top...d11 is flexible...
TheBOrg [7k?\]: is he looking at C6 area?
stoner [2d\]: where ever b plays he will no be settled and w wil probably invade
danielhast [5k\]: F3 looks like it works nicely with black's position on the bottom right and right side
YellowInk [6k\]: silently?  That's a trick.
Sire [2k\]: k17 is quite big now
evanj [2d\]: k17 is not big at all
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: Ming is very funny guy )))
TheBOrg [7k?\]: stoner, thats black plan
Remember [1d\]: i like f4
Jonsuji [5k?\]: proper direction of play seems like f4
evanj [2d\]: do strong players ever play high approach against hoshi?
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;B[cn]C[Remember [1d\]: lol maybe not
Jonsuji [5k?\]: lol
TheBOrg [7k?\]: hahhaaaaaaa
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: hehe
Maki1 [6k?\]: c6, almost
Totti10 [4k\]: called it
TheBOrg [7k?\]: i won
stoner [2d\]: i knew it-now w get in the middle there
Jsnake [4k\]: is there a webcam of this?
danielhast [5k\]: I suppose he doesn't want white to get a position on the left
Remember [1d\]: d8
Jonsuji [5k?\]: no
TheBOrg [7k?\]: stoner, i can give you one lesson for free
TheBOrg [7k?\]: :-)
USGO1 [-\]: A cell phone disrupts the room.
sevrusblck [-\]: yo
evanj [2d\]: oh no
Totti10 [4k\]: tisk tisk
Jonsuji [5k?\]: did juyong return yet?
ShiHouto [14k\]: haha
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong returns and Mingjiu points out his move.
evanj [2d\]: what's the ringtone?
sevrusblck [-\]: one space away is not "close"
stoner [2d\]: funnier jokes, pls 
Academic [5k\]: id love a lesson
Maki1 [6k?\]: crush all cell phones
TheBOrg [7k?\]: "staying alive, staying alive"
]
;W[fq]C[sevrusblck [-\]: it's about the thinking behind a move
evanj [2d\]: i'm betting lady gaga
]
;B[bp]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: perfect with D8
sevrusblck [-\]: i'm betting super junior
Totti10 [4k\]: unsurprising this
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: can she play go btw?
PartyCrshr [4d\]: b moyo on the right side
MXHero [3d\]: d9 now?
evanj [2d\]: who, lady gaga?
]
;W[cl]C[kuruhuru9 [6k\]: yeah
evanj [2d\]: hm, i liked d9
MXHero [3d\]: aah so close, dang
danielhast [5k\]: the right side seems too flat to be called a moyo yet
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu hesitates twice.
]
;B[en]
;W[el]
;B[cq]
;W[iq]C[Remember [1d\]: j3
Maki1 [6k?\]: f11
Remember [1d\]: woo i got the easy move..
harrimanez [1d\]: K4 korean style
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: d9 ?
stoner [2d\]: gotta like w
]
;B[fi]C[Maki1 [6k?\]: ooo, I got that one
Remember [1d\]: hmm.. heavy
Jonsuji [5k?\]: ballsy
PartyCrshr [4d\]: k4 is good, but not the ming style
Bi00io [6k\]: if b don't evade quick...........b will lose
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu takes a moment to steady F11 before removing his hand.
YellowInk [6k\]: I really like this board as black
Maki1 [6k?\]: invade what?
Totti10 [4k\]: invade where?
Maki1 [6k?\]: sorry, evade...
alexanderp [?\]: b is very ahead
stoner [2d\]: invade? evade? darth vador?
USGO1 [-\]: Both players take up crossed-leg Thinker postures.
miao [6d\]: lol
harrimanez [1d\]: f16 AJI GETTING INTERESTING
Bi00io [6k\]: cool
harrimanez [1d\]: sorry caps
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: why b has to invade?
]
;W[ej]C[Totti10 [4k\]: b needs evasive maneuvers
MXHero [3d\]: e15 is so obnoxious
stoner [2d\]: in other words, run away
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong plays E10 silently, then gets up and refills his glass of water from the water station.
Bi00io [6k\]: b is under presure
Sire [2k\]: white now has to think about how to make use of o17
Bi00io [6k\]: so must invade
Exologist [2k\]: Hey Chris, it's Jonathan. Interesting to see you recording :)
cowbuki [5k\]: d9
stoner [2d\]: most people like the side with more territory, but if w plays right he can win 
TheCaptain [4d\]: didn't Juyong beat Ming last year??
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: I like
evanj [2d\]: no
TheBOrg [7k?\]: no
TheBOrg [7k?\]: Mingjiu won
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong beat Mingjiu in the 2008 NAIM
stoneman [4d\]: Hi, Chris, did Jie Li play in this USGO
TheCaptain [4d\]: how time flies...
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu has since played Juyong twice and won both times.
kuruhuru9 [6k\]: Jet Li?
stoneman [4d\]: where is Lie Li?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: no, Lucy Liu
evanj [2d\]: jie li not here this year
Totti10 [4k\]: his wifes having a baby
stoneman [4d\]: thanks
stoneman [4d\]: Joey Huang?
USGO1 [-\]: No, Jie Li is not here this year.  The list of Congress attendees can be found at http://gocongress.org/list.php?o=rddalafacasa
stoneman [4d\]: Thank you, Chris
evanj [2d\]: what a strange URL
evanj [2d\]: rddalafacasa?
Totti10 [4k\]: its an acronym
fowat [5k\]: it means happy life =)
TheBOrg [7k?\]: la casa del go
evanj [2d\]: :D
evanj [2d\]: score one for fowat
PartyCrshr [4d\]: e11 looks heavy
fowat [5k\]: xD
evanj [2d\]: d13?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu hesitates and inhales sharply, withdrawing his hand.
Totti10 [4k\]: what would you play party
evanj [2d\]: f13?
evanj [2d\]: something 13?
Academic [5k\]: e15 have any aji to use?
PartyCrshr [4d\]: f16
TheBOrg [7k?\]: D12 better?
PartyCrshr [4d\]: then f13
USGO1 [-\]: He leans back again, arms on head.
sevrusblck [-\]: even a fool protects a peep
MXHero [3d\]: can b get d13, f13, and e12 in sente?
Academic [5k\]: i like it party
harrimanez [1d\]: of course academic
sevrusblck [-\]: TENUKI!!
Totti10 [4k\]: i like that
Jonsuji [5k?\]: Tengen!
evanj [2d\]: yes but sometimes that protection is best done indirectly, perhaps even in sente
Jonsuji [5k?\]: L4 looks good for black moyo actually
evanj [2d\]: can't really tenuki here
Totti10 [4k\]: l4 big but too early?
evanj [2d\]: c9?
cowbuki [5k\]: d9
MXHero [3d\]: gah, but e11 itself is sente anyway, just connect the peep b!
USGO1 [-\]: He leans in extremely close, and studies the situation.
Sire [2k\]: bad idea
stoner [2d\]: sorry party but kyu players have decided that f16 is a kyu move
kpasko [18k?\]: total kyu move bro.
evanj [2d\]: to be fair it was a kyu move at the time, precisely because it was aji keshi
Jonsuji [5k?\]: at least connect first
Jonsuji [5k?\]: lol
danielhast [5k\]: I'm not sure what f16 is.
Kaveth [13k\]: yeah I don't like f16, single purpose.. and doesnt really help black that much
]
;B[fd]C[Kaveth [13k\]: wow
Jonsuji [5k?\]: hahahahaa
ShiHouto [14k\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: lol
]
;W[ec]C[Maki1 [6k?\]: mwuhahahahaha
rjm [3k\]: mingjiu liked it
]
;B[fg]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: that is the best
evanj [2d\]: partycrshr wins
TheBOrg [7k?\]: rofl
Totti10 [4k\]: nice party
esrig [6k\]: instant feedback
YellowInk [6k\]: b can still connect here.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: I just hurt laughing so hard
taiji [2d\]: MIngjiu is a total badass
danielhast [5k\]: wait, f16? I was looking at E16.
Kaveth [13k\]: Mhmm..
harrimanez [1d\]: ok E16 was always aji keshi
danielhast [5k\]: yeah that makes more sense now
YellowInk [6k\]: e11 e12 d12 d13 white can't cut
Ailura [8k\]: what next Party?
Jonsuji [5k?\]: lol, party picks the move
YellowInk [6k\]: lol
Totti10 [4k\]: e12?
sevrusblck [-\]: e11..
aussiemate [8k\]: party picks his nose?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu lounges in his chair with hands behind his head this time.
evanj [2d\]: no more lip tugging?
toulu [20k\]: e 11
USGO1 [-\]: Not since last time
fowat [5k\]: thats a lot of movements =)
aussiemate [8k\]: aww
MXHero [3d\]: i can't help but want to play e11
Jonsuji [5k?\]: so, good, I love a good heated go match
evanj [2d\]: too bad
alexanderp [?\]: well, actually Party picks two moves...
YellowInk [6k\]: e11 still looks pretty good though, just not as good as it might have been
sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
USGO1 [-\]: It's rare to see a player remain still while playing, although Juyong is one of those that moves relatively little aside from his jaw flexing.
sevrusblck [-\]: i like e11
Jonsuji [5k?\]: if you're gonna threaten the cut, you might as well cut
fowat [5k\]: e11 doesn't look too bad but im not sure
TheBOrg [7k?\]: e12 maybe
Sire [2k\]: e11, d13
Sire [2k\]: very bad case
MXHero [3d\]: oh true, that's scary (but scary for both)
]
;W[ei]C[toulu [20k\]: oh!
toulu [20k\]: ..
]
;B[dg]C[Sire [2k\]: ...
]
;W[eh]C[MXHero [3d\]: nice
stoner [2d\]: !
sevrusblck [-\]: nice one
evanj [2d\]: huh
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu again forgets his clock and Juyong reminds him.
sevrusblck [-\]: KYU POWER!
stoner [2d\]: violent
Sire [2k\]: sigh
yithril [2d\]: Black's shape here loks terrible
Totti10 [4k\]: minjui focused
yithril [2d\]: *looks
sevrusblck [-\]: well
Kaveth [13k\]: A19 is a kyu move
fowat [5k\]: ??
yithril [2d\]: a19 is ultra kyu
sevrusblck [-\]: b notw orried about shape
]
;B[df]C[fowat [5k\]: alright sure
]
;W[bh]C[Kaveth [13k\]: Just testing the kyu curse..
Kaveth [13k\]: if a19 popped up.. I would have cried
stoner [2d\]: b looks really bad to me
Sire [2k\]: not really
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans in up to the 10 line now.
sevrusblck [-\]: yes, but he got those moves for free
Sire [2k\]: g16
sevrusblck [-\]: so it doesn't matter
toulu [20k\]: b11?
sevrusblck [-\]: as long as he gets something
toulu [20k\]: no
fowat [5k\]: black doesnt look to great
fowat [5k\]: =(
Jonsuji [5k?\]: black looks hurt
Jonsuji [5k?\]: evicerated
TheBOrg [7k?\]: c10
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu has 59 minutes remaining.  Juyong has 1 hour and 5 minutes.
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
YellowInk [6k\]: black looks like he's not letting w take territory and doing a good job of it
sevrusblck [-\]: close
evanj [2d\]: what an utterly bizarre shape
sevrusblck [-\]: black is pessimistic
Jonsuji [5k?\]: Sure they're getting water at that station, or is it Sake?
stoner [2d\]: cannot see how ba can connect and escape
purp [6k\]: black's in a headlock
Totti10 [4k\]: cant connect to k15
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu takes a handful of stones from his bowl, then replacces them a short while later.
Ailura [8k\]: G13?
evanj [2d\]: anything but f14 or g14?
Totti10 [4k\]: really not sure where to play as b
toulu [20k\]: c12?
purp [6k\]: our commentator needs a commentator
Pozzo [3k?\]: b13
Jonsuji [5k?\]: that would be ridiculous
toulu [20k\]: no
]
;B[bi]C[odbira [3k\]: commentator rocks!
purp [6k\]: it's what we're doing
sevrusblck [-\]: hehe
toulu [20k\]: I called it
toulu [20k\]: earlier
toulu [20k\]: lol
sevrusblck [-\]: nice toulu
Jonsuji [5k?\]: we have the best commentator on the USGO circut this year
evanj [2d\]: except you totally said c12
toulu [20k\]: no
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu knocks B12 slightly out of position with his play, and quickly adjusts it back into place.
toulu [20k\]: before tha2t
Totti10 [4k\]: lol
evanj [2d\]: sorry you only get one guess
TheBOrg [7k?\]: toulu, do you give lessons?
toulu [20k\]: lol
toulu [20k\]: get off my case
toulu [20k\]: i guessed b11 first
toulu [20k\]: checl
toulu [20k\]: check*
Totti10 [4k\]: mate
YellowInk [6k\]: c12 d12 black takes his sente elsewhere
toulu [20k\]: lol..
YellowInk [6k\]: c12 d12 c11 that is
USGO1 [-\]: He holds a pinched part of his arm between thumb and index finger.
sevrusblck [-\]: which part of his arm?
USGO1 [-\]: Tricep
evanj [2d\]: left or right
Totti10 [4k\]: he just projecting what he would do to juyong
MXHero [3d\]: usgo1, it's like i'm sitting right there with them, uncomfortably close :P
USGO1 [-\]: Left
YellowInk [6k\]: left hand or left arm?
toulu [20k\]: sev d12?
USGO1 [-\]: Yes
Jonsuji [5k?\]: this is the best game ever, I can feel the tension oozing out of my screen
]
;W[ch]C[evanj [2d\]: maybe he
]
;B[dh]C[Pozzo [3k?\]: Dave's mother is oozing out of my screen
evanj [2d\]: maybe he's pinching his left tricep with his left hand
Sire [2k\]: so fast
go4fun2010 [4k\]: not good
DeadTired [2d\]: jonsuji, that is not tension, it is our kibitz
go4fun2010 [4k\]: for b
MXHero [3d\]: f14 is soo tempting
go4fun2010 [4k\]: for w I meant
sevrusblck [-\]: w has to stay there
sevrusblck [-\]: b always has the tenuki option
Sire [2k\]: but white cannot neglect d9
toulu [20k\]: y not d12 for w?
evanj [2d\]: sure he can
Sire [2k\]: since white c11 is sente
Sire [2k\]: sorry
Sire [2k\]: i mean b c11 is sente
sevrusblck [-\]: toulu
Sire [2k\]: but quite sure that b need g15
sevrusblck [-\]: c15 has to live i believe
toulu [20k\]: what sev?
sevrusblck [-\]: that, i think, is the problem
sevrusblck [-\]: d12 c12 c13 c11 
toulu [20k\]: huh?
]
;W[ci]
;B[dj]C[sevrusblck [-\]: something like this
sevrusblck [-\]: w can die
TheBOrg [7k?\]: toulu, c15 is not fully alive yet
YellowInk [6k\]: well I got 3/3 but black pressing attack
]
;W[bk]C[YellowInk [6k\]: ^^
]
;B[gf]C[MXHero [3d\]: i'm confused about all of this
go4fun2010 [4k\]: could be c10 first?
sevrusblck [-\]: ah yes!!
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu crunches his water bottle slightly between his legs.
]
;W[fh]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: yay
sevrusblck [-\]: waiting for that move
KlausK [6k\]: does someone have the video streaming link plz ?
wossname [-\]: thank you usgo1
wossname [-\]: i can feel the atmosphere
TheBOrg [7k?\]: the bottle of tesuji
]
;B[gh]C[Totti10 [4k\]: commentary is awesome
]
;W[gi]C[sevrusblck [-\]: no vid klaus
USGO1 [-\]: After Juyong's play, Mingjiu adjusts the stone slightly.
Totti10 [4k\]: now where to play?
toulu [20k\]: f10, g9
toulu [20k\]: i think
toulu [20k\]: no
TheBOrg [7k?\]: g15 first?
toulu [20k\]: nvm
TheBOrg [7k?\]: then H12
Totti10 [4k\]: h12 i think
Jonsuji [5k?\]: h12 seems only option
harrimanez [1d\]: F10 g9 E9 tears
go4fun2010 [4k\]: f 10 is not bad
go4fun2010 [4k\]: sente
Totti10 [4k\]: w cant f14
Jonsuji [5k?\]: h11 maybe then
YellowInk [6k\]: f10 just gives weight to a new group, though
Totti10 [4k\]: i mean he could
MXHero [3d\]: why not f14, i'm so lost
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu hesitates many times on this move, inhaling sharply each time.
sevrusblck [-\]: j 13 here
SunTsu [-\]: f14 bot work so good
Totti10 [4k\]: i think be can kill e17 if he f14
go4fun2010 [4k\]: needs f10 to escape
toulu [20k\]: ?
toulu [20k\]: ys
DeadTired [2d\]: somehow what really puzzles me is why white played b9 and not d9. Seems to leave weakness on the outside for no reason.
toulu [20k\]: f10
toulu [20k\]: g9
SunTsu [-\]: not i mean
SunTsu [-\]: XD
toulu [20k\]: e9
Remember [1d\]: w is doing well
MXHero [3d\]: yes, b9 completely baffles me
Totti10 [4k\]: has to h12
toulu [20k\]: e14?
MXHero [3d\]: looked like b9/a15 was miai
stoner [2d\]: maybe servus is right
SunTsu [-\]: f 10 i think better
YellowInk [6k\]: b9 gave white life and prevented b from cutting
evanj [2d\]: but a15 would have given w life too
MXHero [3d\]: i guess, but did you see what f14 did?
YellowInk [6k\]: yes
evanj [2d\]: is the point
Jonsuji [5k?\]: f10, g10, f9, e9, h11
Remember [1d\]: yes but white would have a floating group if he were deatched
SunTsu [-\]: f14 still conected
toulu [20k\]: f10 g9
zflyhorse [2k\]: I think H11 is good enough for b
Jonsuji [5k?\]: or f10, f9, h11
MXHero [3d\]: well w obviously noticed the a15 life, so there must be something really interesting going on
]
;B[hh]C[toulu [20k\]: oh!
sevrusblck [-\]: ye
sevrusblck [-\]: called it
USGO1 [-\]: More stones clatter around as board 9 counts their game at the next table.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: I said it first =P
Jonsuji [5k?\]: hehe
sevrusblck [-\]: g16?
sevrusblck [-\]: d9?
MXHero [3d\]: yeah nice, now f14 is safe
evanj [2d\]: sorry, it's late and i'm a little drunk, how does that protect f14?
Totti10 [4k\]: w cant f14 and cut
Pozzo [3k?\]: the commentary is great, the kibitiz is way too enthusiastic
MXHero [3d\]: f14 g15 and there's lots of annoying sente
Jonsuji [5k?\]: it does
evanj [2d\]: ah, i see
evanj [2d\]: thx
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu forms a leg-water bottle-arm tower and rests his head on it.
]
;W[ig]C[wossname [-\]: awesome
Totti10 [4k\]: i was thinking f14 g13 f15 g15 e14 g17 bad
Jonsuji [5k?\]: this game is turning mingjiu's hair grey
Jonsuji [5k?\]: j/k
SunTsu [-\]: f10 now
DeadTired [2d\]: usgo, that makes it a leg-water bottle-arm-head tower, I'd say.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: f10 looks good
USGO1 [-\]: He does have a little bit of grey at the temples.
MXHero [3d\]: totti, play g15 instead of f15 for w
]
;B[hi]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: or the turn
Jonsuji [5k?\]: but f10 to attack big group for sure
Jonsuji [5k?\]: lol
Totti10 [4k\]: same result
USGO1 [-\]: The only motion at the table is Juyong's jaw.
sesbes [1k?\]: what happens after white f14 and g15?
SunTsu [-\]: black still conected
stoner [2d\]: w still looks good
odbira [3k\]: can b kill e17 if w cuts g14?
Jonsuji [5k?\]: yes, sun tsu is the master of war, obey his words
Jonsuji [5k?\]: even if they're misspelled
Jonsuji [5k?\]: =)
USGO1 [-\]: Jennie Shen 2p checks on the game, briefly leaning in for a closer look with brow furrowed.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: I love Jennie Shen
Ailura [8k\]: Hi Jennie
Jonsuji [5k?\]: if Guo Juan there too?
Jonsuji [5k?\]: is
zflyhorse [2k\]: now   if  w eat it ,  too small or not ?
USGO1 [-\]: No Guo Juan isn't here this year
Jonsuji [5k?\]: too bad, i love how she says R12 in lectures, I can say it just like her
purp [6k\]: good friend, how much time for both please?
zflyhorse [2k\]: then  b will curcle at  L 11 or not /
]
;W[jf]C[USGO1 [-\]: Juyong has 52 minutes remaining.  Mingjiu has 50.
Totti10 [4k\]: hmm
sevrusblck [-\]: tenuki?
purp [6k\]: thx
SunTsu [-\]: hmm
SunTsu [-\]: biger one
sevrusblck [-\]: g10?
mollycat [6k\]: mingjui behind on clock!
aussiemate [8k\]: big behind?
GorillaLil [3k?\]: M15?
YellowInk [6k\]: 2 minutes, USGO just said
SunTsu [-\]: if O17 alive is big for white
zflyhorse [2k\]: reasonable move 
]
;B[gj]C[sevrusblck [-\]: hoo rah!
sevrusblck [-\]: d9 here?
toulu [20k\]: yay
toulu [20k\]: lol
YellowInk [6k\]: b is threatening to cut e12 group now
zflyhorse [2k\]: very cold 
purp [6k\]: h10
hanayeol [4d\]:  blog for practical go http://realbaduk.com
sevrusblck [-\]: dang
sevrusblck [-\]: b gonna win
Ailura [8k\]: E9 better than D9, no?
toulu [20k\]: e9
ericosman [1k\]: is b f14 atari a real threat, or is there some clever refutation ?
SunTsu [-\]: d9
zflyhorse [2k\]: w  must answer it 
ericosman [1k\]: i mean w f14 atari
toulu [20k\]: ohh d9
braincrash [1d?\]: e9 is correct i think
SunTsu [-\]: or maybe give and get another
YellowInk [6k\]: e9 is much better than d9
sevrusblck [-\]: f14 g15 
Ailura [8k\]: D9 leaves F9 peep
Totti10 [4k\]: l15
zflyhorse [2k\]: b  has a good  shape  on whole  board   ?
henhen [3k\]: yup
]
;W[le]C[sevrusblck [-\]: yes!!
sevrusblck [-\]: nice fight
henhen [3k\]: Hoho...
GorillaLil [3k?\]: ouch!
sevrusblck [-\]: e9!
fly [1d\]: all four corners for b?
stoner [2d\]: e9?
sevrusblck [-\]: take ure points
Totti10 [4k\]: 3 corners
YellowInk [6k\]: b has 3
YellowInk [6k\]: one of which is very small
fly [1d\]: that counting thing has always been hard for me
stoner [2d\]: n16?
Totti10 [4k\]: you'll get it
toulu [20k\]: i like n16
sevrusblck [-\]: lol fly
sevrusblck [-\]: fail
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong gets up for another glass of water, then leaves the room
Sire [2k\]: k18
Sire [2k\]: haha
ericosman [1k\]: if f14 w atari, and black plays g15, and white takes at g13, white is both threatening to connect at h13 and thrust in at f15
zflyhorse [2k\]: if he think he got  it ?
fivekiller [3k\]: he had too much drink last night?
]
;B[mc]C[sevrusblck [-\]: f14 g15 g13 h13 
Sire [2k\]: m17
sevrusblck [-\]: u see it eric?
Vandal [5k\]: m17
zflyhorse [2k\]: here concern s   the whole w  die or live  
selectz [7k\]: dose anyone know if BBW ever beat a 9p without a handi????
zflyhorse [2k\]: finall  battle i think
Sire [2k\]: white is bbw?
selectz [7k\]: no
jenesis [4d?\]: no
selectz [7k\]: i dont think so
sevrusblck [-\]: selects
zflyhorse [2k\]: w  got  big trouble 
selectz [7k\]: yea?
sevrusblck [-\]: it has occured to 7p
USGO1 [-\]: Andy Liu defeated Feng Yun 9p last year to win the NAIM.
selectz [7k\]: ok
sevrusblck [-\]: though there are no records of it
YellowInk [6k\]: I don't see w gaining much in this attack
sevrusblck [-\]: :D
Sire [2k\]: amazing
selectz [7k\]: USGO is andy wolf BBW?
USGO1 [-\]: He's not present among the players this year for some reason.
stoner [2d\]: w feeling a little lonely after b g10
selectz [7k\]: i mean A"ndy Liu
somosdios [3k\]: andy liu
USGO1 [-\]: Andy Liu is bigbadwolf, yes.
selectz [7k\]: ok thanks
braincrash [1d?\]: n18 
ericosman [1k\]: i'll look on side board at the f14 atari
Sire [2k\]: m17 seems good enough
USGO1 [-\]: Both players have 46 minutes on the clock.
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong returns and retakes his seat.
ericosman [1k\]: looks like a ko after black takes at h13 and white cuts at h14
KlausK [6k\]: s4
Sire [2k\]: oh
sevrusblck [-\]: ko hard to get
MXHero [3d\]: maybe w is eyeing q13
sevrusblck [-\]: for w
Sire [2k\]: USGO2 game is messy
sevrusblck [-\]: but it is a way for free points
]
;W[ek]C[sevrusblck [-\]: ah
sevrusblck [-\]: now g16
TheBOrg [7k?\]: now h14
ericosman [1k\]: i mean white takes at g13, black blocks at h13, white cuts at h14, it's a ko i think
zflyhorse [2k\]: the game may be over soon ,  because they  are professional  player , 
sevrusblck [-\]: yes eric
sevrusblck [-\]: but b wont let white get it
GorillaLil [3k?\]: E14?
sevrusblck [-\]: actually
YellowInk [6k\]: What possible benefit is there to e14?
sevrusblck [-\]: f14 g13 
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu once again leans in very close to the board.
TheBOrg [7k?\]: e14 for Black? i dont think so
Totti10 [4k\]: i think f14 g13
sevrusblck [-\]: then what?
USGO1 [-\]: He takes a handful of stones and holds them under the table.
Totti10 [4k\]: then b is connected
aussiemate [8k\]: g16 if anything in that area
Totti10 [4k\]: or e17 dies
Sire [2k\]: g7
sevrusblck [-\]: yes totti
TheBOrg [7k?\]: f14 to secure connection
fivekiller [3k\]: how come Kim is not in this tournament?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: H14 *
stoner [2d\]: w wants to continue attack in spite of b having captured one stone
YellowInk [6k\]: connection is secure
ericosman [1k\]: maybe white couldn't launch the ko until e9 was played, and that's why black didn't protect at something like e14 before ?
amego [3k\]: f14
sevrusblck [-\]: g16 is nice
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan Kim plays in the US Open, but not the NAIM
TheBOrg [7k?\]: f14 is bad shape
]
;B[ld]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: oh
TheBOrg [7k?\]: nada
fly [1d\]: b inviting f14?
stoner [2d\]: w has no hope except for attacking the middle
ericosman [1k\]: maybe b feels he's not afraid of the ko because he has lots of ko threats such as g17 ?
Totti10 [4k\]: what ko?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu gets up and hurries out of the room.
ericosman [1k\]: the ko that happens if white plays f14 atari
fly [1d\]: Yes, b has more threats
Totti10 [4k\]: w f14 b g13
ericosman [1k\]: then white takes
YellowInk [6k\]: this move seems to threaten enormous potential in moyo
MXHero [3d\]: well w needs to make e9 not a pass
TheBOrg [7k?\]: i love how kyus use the word moyo so often :-)
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu reenters the toom and takes his seat.
ericosman [1k\]: e9 isn't a pass because doesn't it protect against black d9 ?
ericosman [1k\]: tomb ?
aussiemate [8k\]: where does he yake to?
YellowInk [6k\]: MXHero wasn't e9 just the (late) response to g10?
]
;W[me]C[Dugar [1k\]: Why do they leave their seat so often?
mafbxh [1d\]: wf14, black can go G15, W G13, B H13, 
]
;B[nb]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: to streach their moyos
stoner [2d\]: probably meant room 
zflyhorse [2k\]: he still need a cup of tea 
Totti10 [4k\]: oh i see b cant g13 i misread
ericosman [1k\]: yes, mafbh but then white cuts at h14 and starts ko
mollycat [6k\]: to run over to a laptop and read this kibitz
braincrash [1d?\]: r9 
Totti10 [4k\]: before w played e9 he could
USGO1 [-\]: Half of this rounds games have now ended.  The 4 top boards are all still in play.
aussiemate [8k\]: They need to smoke, Dugar
YellowInk [6k\]: Is this team play?
icewater [1k\]: no
]
;W[ff]C[mafbxh [1d\]: W f13, B H14, W have to go J14
]
;B[ge]C[xedover [?\]: looks like the top 7, at least, are still in play :)
sai1029 [2d\]: isn't it night time already
sai1029 [2d\]: y they still playing
MXHero [3d\]: looks awful for w
Pozzo [3k?\]: looks even to me
USGO1 [-\]: Right you are, I should have looked for the laptops.
xedover [?\]: :)
Vinata [5d\]: ko or not?
amego [3k\]: g17
sai1029 [2d\]: awful to w
Totti10 [4k\]: g17 no?
sai1029 [2d\]: seriously
Vinata [5d\]: why not g13?
]
;W[gg]C[sevrusblck [-\]: go for ko
FlameBlade [-\]: though, isn't 3 games are actually for Redmond cup?
mollycat [6k\]: they started pretty late sai1029
sevrusblck [-\]: easy points
]
;B[hg]
;W[hf]C[ericosman [1k\]: finally, there's the ko
]
;B[fg]C[alexanderp [?\]: big ko 
fly [1d\]: b has at least 4 local threats
]
;W[qh]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: b has more threats
MXHero [3d\]: is this big?
alexanderp [?\]: g17
sai1029 [2d\]: b may go for f 3 next
Bi00io [6k\]: IGNORE
sai1029 [2d\]: like playing something around there i mean
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu makes some unhappy noises at the last couple moves, although he has been known to do that on purpose.
MXHero [3d\]: what a trickster
Totti10 [4k\]: heh
ericosman [1k\]: something they served at dinner ?
aussiemate [8k\]: on rye
Bi00io [6k\]: EAT
Bi00io [6k\]: I NEED THAT
Bi00io [6k\]: HUNGRY
TheBOrg [7k?\]: mingjiu dont like white moves that why hes unhappy
braincrash [1d?\]: connect ko
]
;B[gc]C[aussiemate [8k\]: shh
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong nods at G17
Bi00io [6k\]: I'M HAPPY
YellowInk [6k\]: b doesn't need to connect ko
ericosman [1k\]: hey, black played one of his key ko threats even though it wasn't even his turn to take the ko.  isn't that strange ?
Bi00io [6k\]: SHHHHHHHH
TheBOrg [7k?\]: stop shouting, please
braincrash [1d?\]: hes going to fill ko
icewater [1k\]: i don't get g17, seems like black is getting rid of his ko threats
ericosman [1k\]: echo
MXHero [3d\]: well b must be planning to ignore r12
aussiemate [8k\]: echo threats
Bi00io [6k\]: ECHO
Bi00io [6k\]: UCHO
TheBOrg [7k?\]: please stop now or i wakr up an admin
mach1 [-\]: Bi00io please stop
]
;W[gb]C[alexanderp [?\]: oh, i called g17 right??
alexanderp [?\]: hehe, i did
ericosman [1k\]: let's suppose white answers at g18 and black fills ko.  the question is, why did black not just fill ko and save g17 ?
]
;B[hc]C[palapiku [5k?\]: kikashi before living
nkbigo [2d\]: black is winning
Bi00io [6k\]: B WANNA KILL
ericosman [1k\]: kikashi but of the aji keshi-use-up-your-ko-threats variety
MXHero [3d\]: idk erico, but otherwise it doesn't make any sense :)
]
;W[hb]C[Totti10 [4k\]: and threatening
TheBOrg [7k?\]: seems black's mind is already in tose
]
;B[id]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: yose *
Vinata [5d\]: what is b doing?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: winning simple
]
;W[hd]
;B[gd]
;W[jd]
;B[jc]C[faintvoice [1k\]: killing 
MXHero [3d\]: oh god this is cool
Vinata [5d\]: i dont see b wining
Pheryn: oh no
ericosman [1k\]: whining
Jonsuji [5k?\]: haha
TheBOrg [7k?\]: see again :-)
braincrash [1d?\]: hmm
braincrash [1d?\]: sweet
icewater [1k\]: i guess black is getting ready to ignore R12
stoner [2d\]: ouch
palapiku [5k?\]: haha
Jonsuji [5k?\]: nasty mingjiu, i have even more respect for you good sir
TheBOrg [7k?\]: of course, r12 was small
ericosman [1k\]: this is suddenly confusing.  a ko both at g13 and j16
braincrash [1d?\]: b has to win one of the ko
Jonsuji [5k?\]: no matter
SnC [2k\]: wonderful ko
sevrusblck [-\]: very nice
harrimanez [1d\]: J16 supercedes G13
sevrusblck [-\]: black wins
icewater [1k\]: this was a pretty clever sequence by black
USGO1 [-\]: Both players return to studying the board with arms crossed again.
braincrash [1d?\]: heh
YellowInk [6k\]: black says "I kill you"
ericosman [1k\]: it's head ache-y  .  if white plays f19 after black cuts at j18, then another ko looms at d19, especially if it means white takes at a15 in sente
amego [3k\]: b has to play ko
aussiemate [8k\]: W resigns?
harrimanez [1d\]: L15
Totti10 [4k\]: how much time is left usgo1?
amego [3k\]: i mean w
ericosman [1k\]: if white L15, then black J18
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong has 31 minutes remaining.  Mingjiu still has 41.
harrimanez [1d\]: ko at K18 then
MXHero [3d\]: i'm guessing w plays the ko at k18 yeah
Totti10 [4k\]: ok thanks
lobosaito [2k\]: w no good threats
ericosman [1k\]: and if w loses the k18 ko he has to play f19 and then we're on to the d19 ko
Totti10 [4k\]: k18 seems extreme
ogre [2d?\]: i was wondering which one to watch
palapiku [5k?\]: this one
ogre [2d?\]: yeah your probably right
stoner [2d\]: cannot see way for w to win
Totti10 [4k\]: very messy
grumpyjoe [-\]: j18 is an option?
stoner [2d\]: then b j16
ericosman [1k\]: seems white would play k18 instead of j18 wouldn't he ?
amego [3k\]: l15
TheBOrg [7k?\]: white may need to rethink the whole game now 
stoner [2d\]: nice read by b, and i dont think w saw this coming
Jonsuji [5k?\]: l15, j18
Totti10 [4k\]: yes
ericosman [1k\]: if L15 for white, amego, what should white do if black then plays J18 ?
ogre [2d?\]: how about w just let g18 die and try to eat center
TheBOrg [7k?\]: big planschange is needed
]
;W[ke]
;B[ib]C[amego [3k\]: hehe
ogre [2d?\]: with g13 now and connect after eat?
YellowInk [6k\]: w so far behind in points it will be very difficult to recover
MXHero [3d\]: w simply can't avoid ko
Jonsuji [5k?\]: k18 perhaps, but it's not good looking for sure
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong does appear less calm than before; he spends little time in his meditative posture now, instead leaning in closer to the board.
icewater [1k\]: k18 and fight ko
stoner [2d\]: gotta k18 or resign
Jonsuji [5k?\]: ko for life
amego [3k\]: therer  were no choice
MXHero [3d\]: otherwise b plays k18 and kills
ogre [2d?\]: maybe thats hopeless
flyingfox [6d\]: koh for life
]
;W[id]
;B[jb]C[stoner [2d\]: ?
MXHero [3d\]: whatt
TheBOrg [7k?\]: no ko, just plans change
Jonsuji [5k?\]: w trying to kill b
sevrusblck [-\]: he he  :)
Jonsuji [5k?\]: g13
strong10k [-\]: less damaging ko for black thisway
TheBOrg [7k?\]: g13 kills nothing
]
;W[fa]C[sevrusblck [-\]: black lives
icewater [1k\]: this way at least white L15 group has 2 eyes
lobosaito [2k\]: b more livertys
MXHero [3d\]: d19 lol
sai1029 [2d\]: lol
harrimanez [1d\]: G13 meltdown ko in 10..9..8
henhen [3k\]: play the ko!
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu hesitates on his play
sai1029 [2d\]: 7d fail
]
;B[da]C[gocrazz [?\]: b d19?
fowat [5k\]: lol
henhen [3k\]: ooh seen thru
Maki1 [6k?\]: gah
davideo [5k\]: end of game?
fowat [5k\]: maybe?
Maki1 [6k?\]: 7d leaves in disgust....
davideo [5k\]: white's not a pro right?
ogre [2d?\]: ok. so w decide to eat center
ericosman [1k\]: L15 group doesn't quite have 2 eyes, since black L13 threatens to remove either the K15 eye or J14 eye
henhen [3k\]: i like how white tried to make a ko
ogre [2d?\]: this better way with semedori
henhen [3k\]: when his last name is 'koh' lol
]
;W[pi]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: mingjiu is great
MXHero [3d\]: there's nothing to eat, it's a ko to even disconnect h12
Maki1 [6k?\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: Correct, Juyong is an amateur 7d with a rating of 8.6
TheBOrg [7k?\]: mingjiu is above 9dan rating
palapiku [5k?\]: vary stong
faintvoice [1k\]: q11 zmallllll
ericosman [1k\]: isn't 8.6 more 8d than 7d ?
henhen [3k\]: ming is praw.
ogre [2d?\]: maybe my language sounds too optimistic
henhen [3k\]: 7d is max in canada
SunTsu [-\]: white have nothing
USGO1 [-\]: AGA ranks cap out at 7d, but ratings can go higher.
SnC [2k\]: q11 too small 
logan3 [-\]: Interesting exchange offer.
faintvoice [1k\]: SnC [2k\]: q11 too small 
henhen [3k\]: center.. or side?
sweetdream [4k?\]: why is Eric Lui 8d though?
MXHero [3d\]: snc, don't forget r12 was the ko threat
faintvoice [1k\]: ddddddddduuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh
strong10k [-\]: q11 not small
strong10k [-\]: at all
faintvoice [1k\]: i said it
SnC [2k\]: so many big area 
nkbigo [2d\]: b is winning
YellowInk [6k\]: b can just play conservatively an win
stoner [2d\]: b winning by a lot imo
faintvoice [1k\]: nkbigo [2d\]: b is winning
faintvoice [1k\]: ddddddduuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh
ericosman [1k\]: q11 is not unreasonably small which is different than saying it is reasonably small, so the "not" and "un" don't really cancel out
]
;B[er]C[gorilla02 [2d\]: mingjiu well win the entire thing
USGO1 [-\]: Ratings can be thought of as effective rank, even though the official ranks don't go that high.
]
;W[qn]C[Maki1 [6k?\]: L3
Jonsuji [5k?\]: for real
USGO1 [-\]: Some players use rating as rank to more acccurately represent their playing strength.
stoner [2d\]: w can maybe try to make the middle big and then play g13?
sevrusblck [-\]: p5
]
;B[pj]C[strong10k [-\]: aga ranks are kind of inflated compared to kgs rank
palapiku [5k?\]: USGO1, i thought AGA didn't even have ranks? officially?
davideo [5k\]: great move
sevrusblck [-\]: is that a probe?
ericosman [1k\]: how can middle be big for w with black poking out at h11 ?
braincrash [1d?\]: r6 overplay
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu plays Q10 with a loud clack
grumpyjoe [-\]: does he look mad?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: haha
ericosman [1k\]: no, grumpy.
stoner [2d\]: um, no capture that after winning ko eric
ericosman [1k\]: oh ok
TheBOrg [7k?\]: that means i won and im a griumpy old man 
stoner [2d\]: i dont think it will work, but w is still playing
ogre [2d?\]: what is loud clack move supposed to mean?
]
;W[oi]C[MXHero [3d\]: it was loud
TheBOrg [7k?\]: i said it
rusty42 [4k\]: dissapointed that w dosent resign
palapiku [5k?\]: is it somehow realistic to win ko and capture h11?
grumpyjoe [-\]: maybe confident
ogre [2d?\]: sometimes players do it before they resign also
]
;B[on]C[USGO1 [-\]: It just means he's playing his moves forcefully.  I can't tell what he's actually thinking.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: w is in black's influence here
TheBOrg [7k?\]: means hes dissapointed with w play
ogre [2d?\]: maybe its like a good luck charm
]
;W[pl]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: you have to speculate usgo1
Jonsuji [5k?\]: if we had that readout, we'd all be pros
grumpyjoe [-\]: that's the art of color commentary
Sire [2k\]: l3
USGO1 [-\]: I'll leave the speculation to the kibitzers.
ericosman [1k\]: if w plays g13 it seems black has enough liberties at g14 to capture f17, so instead of fighting ko black can play something like j9 and just save his stones in middle
Maki1 [6k?\]: Toya was furious when Hikaru No Go once played poorly against him.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: that was hilarious
Jonsuji [5k?\]: he was pissed
xedover [?\]: usgo is already giving you the "visuals", we have to speculate on our own :)
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu sits with just one arm on his head.
TheBOrg [7k?\]: right Mak
]
;B[ol]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: p8 or q7
grumpyjoe [-\]: take a picture
Jonsuji [5k?\]: nice
TheBOrg [7k?\]: when you get older you are more dissapointed at winning than losing
USGO1 [-\]: Then leans forward and rests his weight on a leg.
ericosman [1k\]: use web cam, show us the players 
threeoone [4k\]: w has been anihilated at the top and has no real territory other than the left side and right corner so why play on ?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: because we expect the ytoung ppl to be strong
ogre [2d?\]: one arm on the head is armpit ploy
]
;W[ok]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: not happening erico
Tehanu [1k\]: i see j3 swtone dieng XD
YellowInk [6k\]: I don't understand p8, what does black want?
danielhast [5k\]: Preparing a large scale attack on the F3 stones?
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong plays quietly, in sharp contrast to Mingjiu's vigorous placement
]
;B[pm]
;W[qm]C[Maki1 [6k?\]: there have been games I have been happier to lose rather than win, I once lost by 1 point to a 10 year old and it made my day.
Totti10 [4k\]: are you 9?
stoner [2d\]: go ahead, make my dya
ogre [2d?\]: ok maybe w hopes b feel too happy and let guard down
Maki1 [6k?\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: lol totti
harrimanez [1d\]: that's lose r talk ;p
braincrash [1d?\]: p10 
davideo [5k\]: R8 here 
]
;B[pk]
;W[ql]
;B[oj]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: well the j3 group is extremely weak now
Euphony [2k\]: One time I beat a 11-year old in a tourney, and he cried. I felt really bad. Of course, now he's much stronger than me
]
;W[nk]
;B[nj]C[LaiLaiHei [5k\]: Bully
TheBOrg [7k?\]: mean Eupho
strong10k [-\]: he really should have f2 eariler
ogre [2d?\]: j3 group isnt really weak
]
;W[mk]C[ogre [2d?\]: its just that b can get l3
Pozzo [3k?\]: i once beat an 11 year old with a shoe
]
;B[ni]C[stoner [2d\]: w cannot really worry about that now
strong10k [-\]: 7d aga = 4d kgs?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: haha
sevrusblck [-\]: j3 looks funny
]
;W[ri]C[Maki1 [6k?\]: w should now look for resign move
ogre [2d?\]: w has grub onto a central objective
gggggggg: @ogre - j3 doesnt have a base. doesnt that mean its weak?
sevrusblck [-\]: nah
]
;B[ki]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: nice
ogre [2d?\]: no it has open straight upwards gggg
Jonsuji [5k?\]: I was thinking that
sevrusblck [-\]: not "weak"
Jonsuji [5k?\]: I should have called it
strong10k [-\]: he should have f2 eariler
TheBOrg [7k?\]: 4d kgs like 5k in korea :-)
stoner [2d\]: looks more hopeless for w
ogre [2d?\]: 2 directionns mean not weak
sevrusblck [-\]: borg
gggggggg: ok
sevrusblck [-\]: kgs is stronger now
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu quickly taps L11 on to the board, causing it to shift position.  He quickly corrects the placement.
MXHero [3d\]: if n9 dies, it's because j3 was too weak
danielhast [5k\]: but one direction might be cut off in fighting in center
sevrusblck [-\]: 4d>1/2d nowadays
Tehanu [1k\]: lol 
Maki1 [6k?\]: off to make some coffee
USGO1 [-\]: He empties his water bottle and sets it aside.
josek [7k?\]: things seem to be getting even worse to w
strong10k [-\]: i looked at the list for go congress, and I personaly know someone who is 4d kgs listed as 7d aga
TheBOrg [7k?\]: now  the tesuji bottle is empty:-)
TheBOrg [7k?\]: time for an irish dance
gggggggg: @USGO - hope he emtied it into his mouth?
palapiku [5k?\]: onto the goban
byanjiong [8k\]: k13
lobosaito [2k\]: l13 looks dangerous
byanjiong [8k\]: l13
]
;W[pn]
;B[oo]
;W[om]C[MXHero [3d\]: wow!
TheBOrg [7k?\]: m3
audubon [5d?\]: l3
Jonsuji [5k?\]: l3 surely
audubon [5d?\]: L3
ogre [2d?\]: i guess b could go h4 before l3 tho
TheBOrg [7k?\]: hes not greedy
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu takes a handful of stones again.
]
;B[kq]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: yay
USGO1 [-\]: He replaces them after his play.
TheBOrg [7k?\]: :-)
Jonsuji [5k?\]: a taunt
Jonsuji [5k?\]: he
logan3 [-\]: L3 is better shape, it's not about greed.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: ha
TheBOrg [7k?\]: ok
strong10k [-\]: r3 to look pro
Jonsuji [5k?\]: it's all about the p stones borg
USGO1 [-\]: Once again the table returns to a stillness broken only by the ever-flexing jaw of Juyong.
TheBOrg [7k?\]: i see, thanks
palapiku [5k?\]: hahaha the ever-flexing jaw
sevrusblck [-\]: ouch
sevrusblck [-\]: can f2 for life?
ogre [2d?\]: wow that makes w sound scary
Jonsuji [5k?\]: well, if mingjiu would stop punching him in the face, he wouldn't have to readjust his jaw
TheBOrg [7k?\]: k5 for white?
strong10k [-\]: k5  bad
YellowInk [6k\]: No need to f2 yet
trebleclef [1k\]: even if w live, w doesnt have enough 
strong10k [-\]: thin
lobosaito [2k\]: L2
MXHero [3d\]: l2 maybe?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: or m3
strong10k [-\]: m3 asking for trouple
Jonsuji [5k?\]: l2 plausible
]
;W[li]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: making trouble is the only way to win a lost game :-)
YellowInk [6k\]: What is the hope with l2?
Jonsuji [5k?\]: tenuki always fun
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong is down to 16 minutes of main time.  Mingjiu still retains 32 minutes of his original 90.
MXHero [3d\]: the hope is to live right away
YellowInk [6k\]: ok
strong10k [-\]: creating 2 weak group is not
lobosaito [2k\]: i cant stend m11
]
;B[lh]
;W[kh]C[icewater [1k\]: white is treating his bottom 3 stones lightly
sevrusblck [-\]: lol
Sire [2k\]: white preparing for g13 ko
]
;B[jh]C[sevrusblck [-\]: they dont look light at all
strong10k [-\]: or rather he doesnt think black can kill them
]
;W[kg]
;B[lj]C[henhen [3k\]: or rather
sevrusblck [-\]: just seems dead
henhen [3k\]: he doesnt have enough time
]
;W[ji]
;B[kj]C[henhen [3k\]: think positive
harrimanez [1d\]: G13 meltdown ko
harrimanez [1d\]: w hopes
]
;W[jj]
;B[jk]C[icewater [1k\]: i have no idea what white has been trying to do here
henhen [3k\]: n10 ?
ogre [2d?\]: meltdown ko havent heard that before
]
;W[ih]
;B[ii]
;W[jg]
;B[ij]C[strong10k [-\]: dont think it is ko
]
;W[nq]C[henhen [3k\]: w is desperate now..
ogre [2d?\]: b has some eye shape in the middle
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu tumbles two stones over each other in one hand
]
;B[or]C[mrwrong [6k\]: godzilla-tesuji coming up...
randomnes [?\]: defensive =S
harrimanez [1d\]: that is the move of a man way ahead
randomnes [?\]: haha
USGO1 [-\]: He takes a handful of stones and holds them between his knees, but then replaces them in the bowl again.
]
;W[rp]C[Stoch [16k\]: holding stones between his knees?
USGO1 [-\]: In hand, of course.
TheBOrg [7k?\]: when losing, play everywhere like crazy and save time
randomnes [?\]: umm what is white doing 0.o............
basil [-\]: preparing to resign
TheBOrg [7k?\]: the last ditch strategy
sevrusblck [-\]: livin life
randomnes [?\]: cool
]
;B[qq]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: w trying to create aji
randomnes [?\]: lol
randomnes [?\]: lol
Jonsuji [5k?\]: thrashing like a fish out of water
randomnes [?\]: oops
]
;W[jh]C[stoner [2d\]: the old "hold the stones between the knees" trick, huh?
randomnes [?\]: black is really playing defensively =S
strong10k [-\]: well white is alive
harrimanez [1d\]: bring me the toast and hold the chicken salad between your knees
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu hesitates and mutters something to himself.
icewater [1k\]: L8
threeoone [4k\]: i wonder if j3 really 'alive
harrimanez [1d\]: anyone? film reference?
strong10k [-\]: not dead for now
]
;B[kl]C[Sire [2k\]: m7 looks more interesting
Jonsuji [5k?\]: nice
randomnes [?\]: j3 white stones look.... =S
Jonsuji [5k?\]: miai to connect and live
Sire [2k\]: i think w is ready to resign
TheBOrg [7k?\]: J3 is not really really alive
vinaat: obama is great
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu returns to tugging on his lower lip
sesbes [1k?\]: Neither n9 is alive
byanjiong [8k\]: osama is great
vinaat: usgo1 very better than eurogo
icewater [1k\]: L4
Remember [1d\]: white has basically lost
randomnes [?\]: unless godlike tesuji
TheBOrg [7k?\]: vinata changed to guest account?
Sire [2k\]: i like se
strong10k [-\]: black solid everywhere, so dont think you can find godlike tesuji
TheBOrg [7k?\]: so childish :-)
vinaat: yes i got banned becouse i offend java
randomnes [?\]: g13 and some crazy stuff =S
TheBOrg [7k?\]: haha
Jonsuji [5k?\]: hahaha
strong10k [-\]: cut a living group?
randomnes [?\]: like i said crazy stuff =S
ericosman [1k\]: better than cutting a dead one i guess
Jonsuji [5k?\]: Javaness, a tough cookie, never hesitates to ban and ask questions later
lobosaito [2k\]: b+40 here
nay4ok [2d?\]: se says 68
mixed [-\]: but all here are happy becouse bd not more admin :DD
nay4ok [2d?\]: )
Micael [2k\]: only about 4 liberties in w top group
TheBOrg [7k?\]: if I were admin, I boot without asking later
Jonsuji [5k?\]: not at all accurate
mixed [-\]: mingjiu in uglyness mode
TheBOrg [7k?\]: I like MIngjiu
Jonsuji [5k?\]: SE is like a pothead, who's drunk, and reads at 10 kyu level
]
;W[kp]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: lower actually, no better than 15k
madkyu [5k?\]: SE can kill groups with 2 eyes
Jonsuji [5k?\]: yes, it can
TheBOrg [7k?\]: or 3
nay4ok [2d?\]: se is american
ogre [2d?\]: b middle is completely safe
mixed [-\]: ming    won..
]
;B[lp]C[randomnes [?\]: a long time ago =S
]
;W[jp]C[mixed [-\]: no one can beat him :/
TheBOrg [7k?\]: K18 was the last move
mixed [-\]: only me
Jonsuji [5k?\]: Ming won at move 75 or so
]
;B[lo]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: maybe earlier
harrimanez [1d\]: except his brother and sister-in-law
]
;W[kr]
;B[lq]C[USGO1 [-\]: Juyong receives his 10-minute warning from the clock.
strong10k [-\]: is mingjiu even 9d kgs?
mixed [-\]: ming is 18k kgs
Jonsuji [5k?\]: minjjiu is 7p kgs
gorilla02 [2d\]: he's 7p
ogre [2d?\]: ok so thats what o3 and s4 is doing for w
Jonsuji [5k?\]: honorary title
Jonsuji [5k?\]: soooo strong
YellowInk [6k\]: SE is way worse than 10k
ogre [2d?\]: makes l4 work better
adsf [2d\]: 7p can't just be honorary
mixed [-\]: breakfast fake pro honorary in free times
Jonsuji [5k?\]: pro ranks on kgs are honorary
strong10k [-\]: i mean, if he plays someone like gentlerain, would he really have an edge?
lobosaito [2k\]: f6
Exologist [2k\]: w should've fought ko in j16 area for the top, no?
Micael [2k\]: w f2 for life
seodongcan [2k\]: w is thinking of resign tesuji @@
]
;W[eq]
;B[fr]
;W[gr]
;B[dq]
;W[fs]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: strong10k, Mingjiu is professional
]
;B[ds]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: you don't earn them playing on here, the go community has to give you rank when you're stronger than 9d
TheBOrg [7k?\]: he can teach gentlerain a coupl of things
]
;W[ik]C[strong10k [-\]: not sure about that
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu rummages through his stones before taking one.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: kgs 9d are like 7d irl
mixed [-\]: the linux aproves.. who use any linux type and play go are 1d + .. windows users = more arrogants and like 5k ~10k or poor
Euphony [2k\]: when gentlerain was in USA, he played as AGA 9dan
TheBOrg [7k?\]: mingjiu can give any kgs9d a coupl of stones too
basil [-\]: false
]
;B[il]
;W[hk]C[miao [6d\]: he can´t
]
;B[hl]C[miao [6d\]: not to milan
]
;W[gk]C[strong10k [-\]: gentlerain #1 kgs player
miao [6d\]: and not to most other
miao [6d\]: ....
harrimanez [1d\]: 5k? and 7k? are experts at 7D + ratings?
TheBOrg [7k?\]: amateurs are strong but pros know better
]
;B[hp]C[strong10k [-\]: he was a pro a long time ago
mixed [-\]: 7d+ maked the linux
mixed [-\]: :D K
madkyu [5k?\]: my other account is 9d
Jonsuji [5k?\]: ;-)
Shusmacku [1k\]: the dog whisperer?
harrimanez [1d\]: dust it off mad :)
]
;W[jm]
;B[jl]C[ogre [2d?\]: h4 at this moment as opposed to earlier
mixed [-\]: w resigned
mixed [-\]: ..
Jonsuji [5k?\]: according to my understanding mingjiu should be able to win against breakfast with a 2 stone handi
strong10k [-\]: no way
harrimanez [1d\]: they would play even for sure
strong10k [-\]: kgs probably the underdog
Jonsuji [5k?\]: I'm sure they would, but if even, ming should beat him 6 out of 7 games
strong10k [-\]: 6 out of 7 is alot
Jonsuji [5k?\]: yes
]
;W[ea]
;B[ha]C[Micael [2k\]: whats breakfasts rank these days.. 2p or 1p ?
Jonsuji [5k?\]: 2p I'm pretty sure
seodongcan [2k\]: 3p
basil [-\]: 3p, no?
Jonsuji [5k?\]: he got lifted recently
logan3 [-\]: 3p
Jonsuji [5k?\]: nice
logan3 [-\]: It would be 1-stone. Each rank in pro rankings is considered 1/4 of a stone.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: good for him
strong10k [-\]: but he got 7p along time ago
mixed [-\]: no ming can give 4 stones for breakfast... 
seodongcan [2k\]: of course he can
seodongcan [2k\]: but cannot win
mixed [-\]: breakfast at least 1p 
seodongcan [2k\]: @@
Micael [2k\]: its not a stone per rank for pros
Dugar [1k\]: I thought brealfast's rank it was honorary? 
strong10k [-\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong receives his 5 minute warning.
mixed [-\]: 3p is  just honoraly
]
;W[jr]C[ogre [2d?\]: why is it u think mingjiu jiang beat any european players easily
madkyu [5k?\]: what is byo-yomi?
mixed [-\]: haha
USGO1 [-\]: 5 x 1 minute
madkyu [5k?\]: thanks
]
;B[gq]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: that was my move
]
;W[hr]C[strong10k [-\]: mingjiu lost to bigbadwolf irl before
mixed [-\]: yep bbw is more strong than breakfast 
]
;B[go]C[strong10k [-\]: really? bbw not pro though
Euphony [2k\]: I miss bbw
]
;W[lr]
;B[mr]C[mixed [-\]: dude he is just european
CptCaveman [2d\]: wow I was sure b wold j1
Baldanders [7k\]: bbw was on today
alexanderp [?\]: bbw played today
Baldanders [7k\]: played 2 games
mixed [-\]: european pro can lose to kghin! or artem!
USGO1 [-\]: That was last year.  He defeated Mingjiu Jiang, Yilun Yang, and Feng Yun.
Ailura [8k\]: US Go, are these black stones being placed loudly?
basil [-\]: i'd like to see the winner of this tourney play the winner in tempere
]
;W[nr]
;B[mq]C[USGO1 [-\]: Not so loudly anymore
]
;W[ls]
;B[gg]C[Euphony [2k\]: sweet. maybe bbw will start playing regularly again!
lobosaito [2k\]: w do a good game in his conditions.....
TheBOrg [7k?\]: maybe you missed Mingjiu lectures here, but hes really good teacher, showinf a deep understanding of the game
harrimanez [1d\]: se  acabo'
zhou901108 [1d\]: hopefully he will
stoner [2d\]: its all over but the shoulting
]
;W[ms]
;B[np]
;W[nd]C[mixed [-\]: dead
]
;B[lb]C[mixed [-\]: nvm
]
;W[qj]C[mixed [-\]: r19 for b
]
;B[ro]C[seodongcan [2k\]: k3 big for b?
Jonsuji [5k?\]: s5
Jonsuji [5k?\]: yes
]
;W[rn]C[TheBOrg [7k?\]: hah
]
;B[rq]C[seodongcan [2k\]: :p
mixed [-\]: r19
lobosaito [2k\]: k3 h3
Micael [2k\]: k3 is not that big
trebleclef [1k\]: p1
icewater [1k\]: j4 better than k3
trebleclef [1k\]: b7
flydragon [1k?\]: '
Micael [2k\]: yeah j4 way better 
trebleclef [1k\]: resign 
gorilla02 [2d\]: b won
YellowInk [6k\]: w hasn't had anything valuable to attack for awhile now
mixed [-\]: count!
zhou901108 [1d\]: anyone know who won in Geyong Fei game?
]
;W[bm]
;B[ns]C[shouldBdan [7k\]: i did
]
;W[bn]
;B[bo]C[USGO1 [-\]: The one he played against Eric Lui this morning?  Eric won by 1.5.
zhou901108 [1d\]: thx i see
]
;W[qo]
;B[sp]C[lobosaito [2k\]: is a good game
Micael [2k\]: oh.. what time is it in local atm?
]
;W[nm]
;B[gl]
;W[fj]C[mixed [-\]: preparing j4
icewater [1k\]: j4
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong has resigned
Micael [2k\]: sorry for asking... but im danoish adn its 5:46 morning here
shouldBdan [7k\]: 23:46 or 21:46 local. i just know they're 1 hour diff from me. i cant remember which way
icewater [1k\]: 9:46 in colorado
Micael [2k\]: thx
mixed [-\]: 4:59 am
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